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CardSpike Controversy Has Poker Affiliates up in Arms

Jan 5 2009 - 11:41am

Last week, Gambling911.com reported on how a relatively new online poker room - CardSpike.com - was stalling payments to its affiliate partners.  Ironically, some of those affiliates have claimed that CardSpike.com is run by some of the same individuals behind the Poker Affiliate Program, a sister venture to Casino Affiliate Programs (CAP).

Since publication of our report, the feedback has been extensive. 

Compatible Poker chimed in:  "PAP has been covering up for Cardspike ever since players and affiliates started complaining about not being paid. The new owners of PAP went on a banning spree (including banning just about every moderator) and locking any thread that pertained to Cardspike. On top of that PAP paid someone off just to keep them quiet for a little bit. Now why would a forum pay out an affiliate for a site they're not involved with? Very simple when you put the pieces together."

Gambling911.com has learned that CardSpike.com is an online poker room based outside of Orlando, Florida. 

"It was launched in July 2008, though the poker room got started in August 2007 and took a year to get going," a source tells Gambling911.com.  "It made $25,000 rake per day in the 1st month.  They used Affiliate Speed Pay to compensate their affiliate partners."

A broker who helped set up the online poker room is claiming he got screwed out of a deal that would have yielded him 25 percent of the company's overall revenues. 

"That person has since quit CardSpike.com," our source relayed to Gambling911.

It was not immediately clear what affiliation, if any, PAP organizers have with the "slow pay" online poker room.

One Gambling911.com reader has posted a series of links to various complaints involving CardSpike.com.

Christopher Costigan, Gambling911.com Publisher

 

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The Truth Will Be Revealed

Dear Affiliates/Affiliate Programs, For years, Lou Fabiano and Warren Jolly, both principle owners of www.CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com, have used their authority to squeeze out a number of affiliate programs from this industry - some of which were well-deserved, others not so much. Sometimes their decisions were based on purely merit (or lack thereof), but most of the time, the term "Rogue" was loosely awarded to any affiliate program that was unwilling to pay their hefty advertising fees, or should I say, "Certification" fees. As of late, CAP has stooped to an even lower level. By owning, operating, managing, or at the very least, having a financial interest in a so-called "Certified" Casino (www.AbsoluteSlots.com) and "Certified" Poker Room (www.CardSpike.com) threatens the integrity of the affiliate marketing model altogether, Many of you question whether this is true or not??? I have verifiable evidence that Lou Fabiano and Warren Jolly, the principle owners of CAP, have a major stake in both sites, in addition to an interest in Affiliate Speedpay. The proof will soon be published in due time. This is a slap in the face to every affiliate or affiliate program that has supported CAP over the years. CAP is nothing but a glorified harvesting tool to capture priceless affiliate data, which is then used to fuel the operations of other so-called "Certified Programs" that compete directly with the programs and people that support the CAP community. If you think about it, Warren and Lou's "Gestapo" model is quite brilliant - too bad you guys got caught!!! So, if you're an Affiliate, and you feel cheated, the solution is simple - stop supporting CAP. Don't visit their site. Don't post in their forums. Don't accept their Magazine. Don't attend their trade shows. If you're an Affiliate Program, and you feel that your putting money into your competitor's pockets, the solution is simple - stop supporting them altogether. The only way to re-establish integrity in this space is to re-introduce a new player - will it be the GPWA, or will someone else step-in to pick up the pieces. Only time will tell!!!
Submitted by Guest on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 21:28.

I think I speak for many

I think I speak for many many operators when I say this is the best New Years present of 2009. Of course no one will come out and publicly say it for fear of "de-certification" or not being allowed to attend industry shows, but most of the operators are sick and tired of the monopoly, greed, and constant price increases.
Submitted by Guest on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 01:07.

CAP / PAP Give It Up

I don't get why rooms are still paying to advertise on one of their competitors sites. Doesn't anyone notice the conflict of interest in them starting their own sites??? I think their greed is starting to come back and bite them in the ass. When will they give up this BS act and just admit they own the site? Someone also needs to report this to the FBI to investigate as they were taking US players. This should help find out the truth real quick!
Submitted by Guest on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 04:08.

Wish you guys would

Well I wish you guys would. Its a snowball effect. The more you continue to pay, the more rooms continue to want to pay. If people start seeing others stand up and say we wont do it than others will follow suit. Really though what do these certifications do for you? They cant be that effective in recruiting new affiliates since most affiliates have exisiting accounts with the operators to begin with or would rather signup as a sub under another member. Are the operators really getting that much value from being listed and is the money worth it?
Submitted by Guest on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 01:24.

Ammo

More ammo yet for the US govt. to enhance, enlarge and enforce its attack on online poker. Whether it's the stock market, energy traders, real estate and mortgage players or congressmen somehow we are able to screw ourselves time and time again. Who needs enemies? I guess if your dick is big enough you can fuck yourself up the ass. Shame.
Submitted by Guest on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 02:33.

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