Poker Cheating Scandal Raises Questions Regarding Big Name Pros

Dec 1 2008 - 8:20pm
Phil Ivey

In a very well written report from our friends at AintLuck.com, the spotlight shines on today's big name poker pros - specifically Phil Ivey.

The question:  Is it a conflict of interest for a part-owner in an online poker room the likes of Full Tilt Poker to rack up over $8 million in cash games over an 18 month span there?

AintLuck attempts to answer that question.

 

Last week, Phil Ivey's impressive statistics for his winning ways on Full Tilt Poker were published on the Internet for the entire world to see. In a span of about 18 months, Ivey is up more than $8 million in cash games ranging from Omaha to Stud to Hold em. You can name any game and Ivey has been beating it impressively. While his accomplishments were mind-boggling on so many levels, some people have brought forth some question as to the ethics behind the numbers as some people of players have called those results into question. While no one has come out and questioned the validity nor method in which Ivey has won what he has, some people do cite concerns of a bit of a conflict of interest in Ivey winning so much money on a site in which he has legitimate business interests.

Phil Ivey is largely regarded as one of the best, if not, the best poker player in the world. The man wins, consistently, no matter the game, stakes or venue. However, as a program which aired on 60 Minutes on November 30th shows, there were ways that people with inside knowledge of a large poker site's operations were able to profit from their standing with the site. With all the talk about superusers being able to see other players' hole cards, it was just a matter of time before other players looked at winning players with suspicion. Naturally, since players can now point to a real dollar figure to see how well Ivey has been doing, the inevitable marriage of paranoia was just a matter of time. However, most people have been quick to defend Ivey and do not believe for a moment that he has done anything wrong.

In fact, many of the people coming to Ivey's defense cite very obvious reasons as to why they are not at all suspicious of Ivey. For starters, as one of the world's best poker players, it is expected that Ivey is a big winner. Secondly, as Full Tilt Poker's moniker is "play with the pros", part of the allure of the site is having the opportunity to play with professional players whom most would never be able to play against otherwise. So he is not deceiving anyone into playing with him. If one decides to face him on the virtual felt, they do so at their own risk. To further this fact is that Ivey does not try to hide his identity at all as his screenname is "Phil Ivey" and his avatar is in his likeness. Lastly, those who know Ivey view him as a person of high character and one who does not need any unfair advantages at a poker table.

In being a part owner of Full Tilt, Ivey stands to make more money should Full Tilt Poker's success continue to thrive, not if he unwittingly brings it down in some type of cheating scandal. To jeopardize a consistent personal revenue stream would be an unnecessary risk. So if he is doing nothing wrong the question becomes, is it ethical for a person who is part owner of a poker site to take his clients money? Those chiming in online answer with a resounding yes. After all, the whole point of a game of poker is to take away another players money. So when one sits down to play, they understand the inherent risk and should they choose to play, that is completely on them.

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Phil plays much higher than anyone online and off so his wins/loss will be higher. NO chance Phil would CHEAT If given the oppertunity. Why would he RISK 50-75 million a YR to cheat online, his stake In the company that Is. NO FKN WAY. He's not the BEST all around player In the WORLD for nothing.

Phil Ivey and Full Tilt

I have given up hope on people that play poker online. The story of Iveys 8 million in winnings over 18 months at Full Tilt is just another example of people willing to believe anything. I have played online for almost 3 years but it only took 5 tourneys to realize something didn't add up. From that point on I never spent more then 1$ at a time. It just boggles the mind to think that a part owner of a business has 10 times more success then anyone else on that site and no one even gives it a second thought because he is a very successful live player. I wonder what it would take for people to understand that online poker is not legitimate and that they don't stand a chance of winning more then they lose with the exception of those who have been chosen to win. Its a terrible addiction and as such peoples minds are not capable of rationalizing what is happening to them right before their eyes. Everyone starts with the capacity to use the gift of common sense in most aspects of their lives except when an addiction, especially a gambling addiction has taken a hold of them. Added to the addiction, the incredible amounts of money involved spent on marketing and peddling this sport and its no wonder normal people end up risking everything they own because they too. "COULD WIN MILLIONS" The whole thing is just so sad, pathetic and corrupt. Ivey did not win that money legitimately and anyone who thinks otherwise either has their income tied to the poker industry, is an addicted gambler or has very little if any common sense.

Re: Phil Ivey and Full Tilt

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Re: Phil Ivey and Full Tilt

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Dear losing player.

i'm afraid you are the one lacking common sense. Ivey has not won 10 times more than anyone else, a bunch of people have one millions, check highstakesDB for results. As you will see some of them are not Full Tilt sponsored pros or owners, and you will see some of the biggest losers are part owners/sponsered pros. "It only took 5 tourneys to realize something didn't add up" - really, only 5? So if you also flipped a coin 5 times and it came up heads 5 times you would conclude your coin was faulty ? Please please please don't give up on online poker, there are thousands of us who depend on people like you to make our living ;)

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would love to hear more of your views on the validity of online poker.i play will hill & i think it is rigged to high heaven ( especially the sat tourns ). what amazes me is, it happens so often it's blatantly obvious something's not right, yet nothing is done about it. players are always commenting in the chatbox about the shocking beats ( which in the sats nearly always favour the bigger stack ) all i can think of, is that they know some loophole that allows them to 'legally' get away with it. saying that, i do get it go my way sometimes & i still play the site, but would rather it was a level playing field for allwould be grateful to hear more of your thoughts on this topic. thx. you can email me at straightdraw@hotmail.co.uk                                                                                                      rick.