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PIC Club CEO Chuck Kidd Letter to Poker Players

In case you haven't been following the drama on Gambling911.com for the past week, online poker payment platform PIC Club Poker has been involved in a heated exchange with Merge Poker network over monies they claim are owed to them.  Merge says they owe nothing as a "whale" charged back his credit card and made several entries and exits at various Merge poker rooms, accumulating heavy fees as a result (PIC Club Poker charges fees on each deposit and withdrawal).

PIC Club Poker CEO Chuck Kidd has offered what he says is his FINAL response in this matter.

Dear Poker Players,

 

For nearly three years now the PICClub team and I have strived to build and

operate a safe and secure way for poker players to get their money into a

poker room so they can play the game we all love.

 

I invested my life savings from 30 years of work to start the PICClub

because I thought our U.S. Government was out of line in telling me that I

couldn't play poker with my own (already taxed) retirement funds.  I sold

everything I owned and  moved to Costa Rica to build a dream called PICClub

because many friends and partners who know me and believed in me insisted

that I not let the dream die.

 

We at PICClub have worked, as a team, extremely long hours for little or no

money to keep PICClub alive.  When we advertise "24/7 Support" we mean it.

Can anyone out there in the poker world recall a single time when you

couldn't reach someone to speak with at PIC to try to get your problem

resolved?  I couldn't be more proud of the people who work for PICClub for

the job they do every day for our members.

 

At a time in this industry when companies were running from the U.S. market

and abandoning the U.S. players, PICClub ran to it.  We found a way to get

your funds to poker rooms when nobody else could.  Was I naive at times in

how I did business? Of course I was, I wasn't from this Industry.  I spent

my life working where a handshake and a contract meant something.

 

I find myself now in an industry that seems to attract a lot of snakes lured

by the idea of fast, untraceable money.  At various conferences around the

world I shook hands with people that caused me to count the fingers on my

hand afterward to make sure I got them all back.

 

But, just because there are some bad people in this industry that I

sometimes have to deal with, it doesn't mean that I have to lower myself to

their level.  My father told me when I was 13 yrs old that a man is born

with something very precious call Integrity.  No one can take it from you,

but you can choose to give it up.  Well, in my 58 yrs on this earth I have

never surrendered to temptation to be a snake or a thief and give up my

integrity and I will be damned if I am going to give it up now, or allow to

go unchallenged the accusations that people with some kind of ax to grind,

or with some other agenda in hand, to have only their innuendo and outright

lies be heard.

 

PICClub and I have the support of many well respected people in this

industry who think like I do and believe that a man's word, handshake and

honor mean something. It grieves me that there are people out there in this

world who have never met me, yet will go into a public arena like the

internet and make accusations with no evidence whatsoever, just an agenda it

seems - to tear down something or someone.  What drives these people?  I

really don't know. Maybe it's envy or hate or just plain wanting to be mean

and ornery because they can hide behind the

anonymity of the internet.  I don't understand where this perceived hatred

for me personally, or for PICClub, has come from.  I thought creating a

company, hiring people and providing a service that was needed was a good

thing.  I am amazed at the people who lose or give their money to a poker

site that takes rake from every hand played, yet who seem to be upset that

PICClub charges a fee for our service to the poker room(s) or that it should

be okay for a poker room to stiff PICClub on fees owed under a legitimate

contract.

 

As to the subject at hand, this Merge vs. PICClub battle as everyone seems

to want to call it.  Let me simply state this; I gave to G911 all the

documentation I had to support our case that Merge owes PICClub money, and

only did so when they missed not only the multiple deadlines that we had set

for payment, but their own stated deadlines that they set for themselves and

then subsequently missed. After four months of their refusing  to pay, and

countless hours of negotiations and compromises on the part of PICClub, it

became evident that they had no

Intention to pay their debt and it was time to speak out.

 

At no time did I ever asked Chris to spin a story in any way, I simply asked

him to read the documentation and write whatever he saw fit to write.  I

have had no conversation with him about PICClub before or since sending that

information and I don't intend to in the future on this issue.  The story is

what it is and it will write itself.  If Chris doesn't want to write it I'll

just post it all on the internet myself and let all of you see it - warts

and all - and then everyone can make up their own minds.  PICClub and I have

nothing to hide.

 

One part of this story that hasn't been told yet is that I agreed with Merge

and thought that the fees relating to the whale's play were out of line and

we went back into the system and reviewed the fees and wiped them off the

ledger for every single Merge Operator that may have lost money due to those

fees.  We offered to eat $60,000 worth of those fees so that no small

operator would be hurt.  What I was not willing to deduct were the fees due

from the Merge owned rooms (PDC and Carbon) as they made a killing from the

whales play, as they themselves have admitted.  As to the credit card charge

backs, PICClub was hurt far worse than anyone on this issue and Merge only

suffered because they offered the whale a direct deal that effectively cut

PICClub out of the picture, which was in direct violation of the contract

that was in place between PIC and Merge.  Had they not done that PICClub

would have been on the hook for the Merge charge backs as well. AND HAD WE

BEEN, WE WOULD HAVE PAID!

 

Another part of the story that hasn't been printed yet is that I was willing

to temporarily set aside the fee issue and did everything but beg the CEO of

Merge to send us the $40,000 necessary to pay their players cash outs.

These were already late and I protected Merge at the expense of PICClub by

sending out an email, effectively taking the blame for this while we were

getting beat up in the forums.  Merge wanted PICClub to send all cash outs

back to Merge with no reasonable explanation given to the players.  QUOTE

"How about simply PICClub and Merge have unfortunately decided to end their

relationship and as such your withdrawal cannot be processed. However, the

money has been placed back into your player account. For any queries please

contact cashier@mergegaming.com." After a 45-day delay, that was his

solution.  I wasn't willing to do that and not explain to our members what

had taken place.  The email that PICClub sent out was read by and approved

by the Merge CEO.  We again took the hit and tried to protect the players.

And CEO quotes again "I still think it's easier to cancel so you don't have

to deal with it.  I am sure players are pissed already having to wait that

long."

 

So I ask you... Which company here was looking out for the players?  Why did

they have to wait that long?  It most certainly was not because of PICClub.

If they either would not, or could not pay the fees, how could I know they

would pay the members of PICClub who used our service.  I wanted that

$40,000 in our bank so that I would

be 100% certain that our members would get their funds.

 

This issue has me tired out - I was tired of it weeks ago - and quite

frankly I am tired of people who don't have a single fact in this issue

trying to hurt what my team and I have spent so many hours trying to build.

If you want to attack me personally then bring your evidence and post it for

all to see!  But to try to tear down PICClub and put a lot of people out of

work and cause a lot of poker players to not have a way to play for no other

reason than spite or ignorance is, quite frankly, disgusting to any

reasonable person and should be considered insulting to those who love this

game called poker.

 

I have nothing more than this final statement to make publicly on this

issue.  There are those out there that will use my words here out of

context, or find fault or pick a word or paragraph to take exception too.

Well have at it folks, I've said my piece. Every word I have said here about

this issue is in the documents sent to G911.

 

Neither PICClub, it's Staff or I have ever done anything to put at risk a

PICClub members money.  Not a single dollar has been made from providing

this service to PICClub members or from those members who got caught up in

this controversy.  We only make our money from the poker rooms - PERIOD!

PICClub is here to stay and naysayers be damned.  There are plenty of honest

poker room operators out there who will sign on with PICClub in the near

future to ensure that.

 

Pocket Aces To All,

 

 

Chuck Kidd

CEO

PICCLUB.COM

Comments

Compatiblepoker.com's picture

Stay around

Chuck, hopefully this incident doesn't hurt PicClub too badly. I only know what I've heard from hearsay but 3 years ago when "Skalligram" told me about your company and I talked to you I was excited, and whatever comes of this situation I hope both companies the best (unless of course there is unethical business going on from either side, then to the depths of hell to whoever involved!). This industry has enough of that. Take care, Roger

RIP PIC Club

What a bunch of cry babies...... If I were PIC Club, I would forget the money ad move on. Who is to say that Chucky and the Whale were not in cahoots to rack up fees? Oldest trick in the book. And yeah, I cant see any operator with a reputation to protect touching PIC with a 90 foot pole. The must be desperate for cash if they won't let this go. Who would want to make money of their partners (merge's) loss? That is not good business practice.

Where do these Idiots come from?

Who is to say that Chucky and the Whale were not in cahoots to rack up fees? no proof offered just more baseless accusations. They must be desperate for cash if they wont let this go? It is much more probable that Merge is the one desperate for cash, They are the ones that stalled, lied and missed payments only to finally default on their debt. Get your money out of Merge while you can Who would want to make money of their partners (merge's) loss? Did you even follow this story? MERGE ADMITTED THEY MADE MONEY ON THE WHALE! That is not good business practice? It is PICClubs responsibility to protect its members and investors funds, and not collecting 160K would be bad business practice. But I wouldn't expect someone whos knowledge of business obviously stopped growing with DO YOU WANT TO SUPER SIZE THAT SIR? to understand that.

hey chuck, why don't you

hey chuck, why don't you just write these posts under your own name, anyone playing the slightest bit of attention knows you wrote this. the accusations of fraud against your company aren't any more baseless than you writing that merge is desperate for cash. shame on you.

well fok it then!!

Maybe CHUCK is the whale/degenerate gambler!!! Maybe it was merge CEO cause he is an idiot too! who knows who cares, hopefully they both go away.

Lets Clear it UP

Hi Chris maybe you should just post what you have up on here an lets get it clear once an for all. If you have the documents that pic-club sent you put them up so we can all see. That way we will know who is full of it or not.

Lol, nice spin. You are the

Lol, nice spin. You are the robin hood of online poker indeed. Oh wow, you predicted it, I'm about to take exception to a sentence you wrote. YOU ADMITTED THAT THE FEES RELATING TO THE WHALE'S PLAY WERE OUT OF LINE. how can you be so stupid to admit that. so much for your entire case? how can you honestly try to convince readers that merge should pay a debt that you yourself admitted is out of line?

Read the facts

Sounds like the whale moved funds around from place to place, generating $ for Pic. Probably not intentional, but resulted in high fees. Same with Neteller if you move money around. Sounds like Chuck was being a gentleman and refunding these fees, though he could have rightfully charged for them.

lol, the facts. ok, we

lol, the facts. ok, we should be perfectly clear then, the whale moved funds several times per day, unnecessarily, in the maximum amount. probably not intentional? how can you say that. "the whale" is standing shoulder to shoulder with pic club ceo and fighting on G911. if he was really the idiot degenerate gambler that he is supposed to be he wouldn't be on here arguing with internet strangers like me, or writing stories for the TMZ of gambling news. it's so painfully obvious that they are working together that it saddens me as a human being to see people posting here believing Chuck's story

Merge reply

Sure would love to hear a rebuttal by Merge management. From what Mr. Kidd wrote, sounds like he has bent over backwards to accomodate Merge, offering a $60,000 discount, but they still stiff him? If they did end up making a profit from the whale, I don't see why they should pay a penny less then the full amount owed to PIC, since it seems that the profit they made on this whale, was in part due to him being a member of PIC club. The issue might be more that they CAN'T pay, instead of don't WANT to pay. Is Merge the next Tusk or Eurolinx?

HEY G911 IS THIS TRUE?

If G911 has received documentation to support the statements made here by the PIC CEO then I for one would like to have that verified. 1. Did PICClub issue multiple deadlines that were ignored. 2. Did PICClub offer to eat the fees in question for the Merge Operators so they would not be hurt by the whales play? 3. Was there a part of the PICClub contract that prohibited Merge seeking a direct relationship with the player. 4. Did Merge actually refuse to send the money to pay the players cashouts? If in fact any of the statements are true then Merge should immediatly pay it's debt in full to PICClub and issue a public statement that it was wrong. I for one will never play another hand at any Merge poker room and will actively notify every player I have played with over the years to avoid Merge at all cost unless they make this right with PICClub. Signed: A long to poker player

We have a lot of emails back

We have a lot of emails back and forth, some of which haven't yet surfaced on this site yet only because we are still mulling through some 50 plus emails sent between these two companies.

re: HEY G911 IS THIS TRUE?

You can't be seriously asking G911 for confirmation on something being true or not? These guys make more shit up and pass it off as news than any other site I know of.

GIVE IT A REST DRCHECKRAISEneedstoFOLD

You with no credibility what so ever. You wouldn't no the truth or a fact if it bit you in the azz.

A little to much Grandstanding, but Hey its all good

I agree with 99% of your post though! Picclub are they indemnified? I thought the charge backs were passed onto the rooms? Merge is a group of snakes, and will hopefully be folded before to long. I think you should post the emails from the Merge CEO in regards to not caring about poker players getting paid in a timely, manner! I won;t play there again! Good luck.

PICCLUB.COM

AMEN Chuck Kidd CEO and THANKS FOR PICCLUB...and yes I can tell you that PICClub support are TOP NOTCH...Thanks for standing behind us US Players and doing something that you Believe in~!!!!! Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah To all PICClub Staff and to PICClub CEO~!!!!
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