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This is tame compared to some of the slugfests we've had along the way. People need to calm down. You haven't been in a true brawl until you've been confronted with the likes of Sumo Sue Schneider. This woman had me in a chokehold for God's sake in front of a few dozen industry drunks. We once all sneaked into Sue's GIGSE Conference after she had one of her goons (okay Kevin was a teddy bear) stand guard with orders not to let more than one of us in. Jenny Woo flashed her breasts and four of us stormed the conference. Kevin was all ga ga. Sue just laughed and hit him over the head with her binder lol. No security to escort us out. Those were the days!!!! BTW I still recall the old GPWA implosion from back in the day. CAP is way more ahead of where that organization was in 2002/2003. I have a tough time believing CAP can self-destruct so quickly but there definitely seems to be a groundswell reading these forums. Never noticed any dissatisfaction at the CAP events we attended and there were plenty of people at those. I can't vouch for anything that's transpired in the past year and a half though. I think Lou and Warren are their own worst enemies right now. I can't for the life of me imagine how their involvement with CardSpike (assuming everyone is getting paid now) would lead to such a mudslide. One piece of advise - they don't need to be treading on other people's territory (Amsterdam). I think that is downright obnoxious and I'm not alone here. They need to some that time off and regroup instead of trying to destroy the competition. I don't think Lou and Warren are bad people. I think they are letting other motivations get in the way of business sense.